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Hi,

I have some problems with 3bet bluffing. I’m not a fan of multitabling 50 tables, I like to play with marginal hands versus creative players but sometimes, I get lost in the hand and lose all my chips for a pure bluff. When I am in mood and try to play my A-Game I make some moves that I really like, but sometimes I miss opportunities.

Do you guys have a theory with this? When to 3bet bluff and not? A general idea?

This should be the trick of improving my game and I need some advice.

Thanks.

İlker.

|||When to 3-bet bluff is entirely opponent dependent. Post some stats or some hand histories and maybe we can help. Without that, forget it.

As for getting "lost in the hand", I’m not sure what you mean. It sounds like you’re 3-betting as a bluff, getting called, trying to rep something big on the flop, getting called…..and suddenly you’re out of position, in a huge pot, with almost nothing. You don’t want to show the hand down, but you think there is a good chance that a big bluff will get called and you’ll be finished.

You went into the hand without a plan. There’s your problem. If you’re going to be making big moves pre-flop, you had better have a solid post-flop plan and stick to it. Abandon the move when it gets out of hand. Put your opponent on a range, and evaluate the board texture. Make decisions as you go, that are congruent with the original plan.

Stop doing this:

pre-flop: "Ok he raised, but his range is wide, I’m goign to 3-bet and rep a big pair even though I only have QT. Oh what he called? Hmmmm….ok?
Flop K74: "He just checked to me, I guess I should represent that King. Here’s a bet. He called? Hmmm, he didn’t raise so maybe he doesn’t have a King. Maybe he has JJ and thinks I just c-bet with AQ or something:
Turn J: "He checked again. i was worried about JJ, but now I’m open ended. I can still get him to fold AQ, Kx, A7. I’ll bet again. What? He raised? ****, oh well, I’m open ended…call"
River 8: "I missed, and villain just made a value bet on the river. I think I can rep 56 if I make a big bet. Yeah, everything I’ve done so far probably matchest that. Shove. WHAT THE FFFFFFFF, he called!!?? With KQ!!?? What a fish!!??

|||Obviously so dependant on a lot of factors. I can only suggest a few thought processes rather than any guide as such.
From what position are you bluffing? ie. on the BTN the blinds etc.When in those positions who are you 3beting? Early position open, late position open.Is that player a nit? Have you seen them fold to a 3bet or are they just flatting habitually?If flatted do you plan on cbeting or giving up?If you’re in position what do you do if donked into for 1/2 pot?How do the last two questions apply to different flop textures?

|||Out of interest, what games are you playing? What stakes?

You could be suffering from a case of "fancy play syndrome". Remember the goal of a tourney is to make money by placing in the money, not to win individual pots with bluffs.

|||Quote:Originally Posted by jimjamjahaaOut of interest, what games are you playing? What stakes?

You could be suffering from a case of "fancy play syndrome". Remember the goal of a tourney is to make money by placing in the money, not to win individual pots with bluffs.I’m playing the MTT’s up to 109′s. It’s not about the fancy play syndrome, I don’t think that with your own cards, without representing anything, without bluffing, you can’t reach the last stages of the tournament. I need to be a bit more creative and I’m working on that. I try to play more pots in position to outplay them on the flop but sometimes I get lost as NoLimitNinjaBri said. I’m not that "lame" as mentioned but I need some routes.

For example, would you rather bet the aggresive players than the nit ones? The nits always show up with the good cards when they open. The aggresive ones play the flop, so you have other chances than preflop.

When you are having a deep run, I think applying pressure on the nits is more effective, especially the ones who have won a flip versus another nit and got deep in the tournament.

I dunno,

Appreciate all your advices guys, ty.

|||The reason i ask about stakes and mentioned fancy play syndrome is that in the very cheap MTTs it’s choc full of complete donks so you don’t do yourself any favours by getting creative (at least in the early stages)
Quote:When you are having a deep run, I think applying pressure on the nits is more effective.Very true.

Maybe it might help to play some NL10 cash games? You will get much more post flop experience and learn to hand read better which will in turn help you apply pressure in just the right spots in tournaments.

Don’t go playing LAG or anything tho… you want to try and have a similar image to what you’d get in a tourney so that people react to you in a similar way.

Idk really

|||Quote:Originally Posted by MarvelleI’m playing the MTT’s up to 109′s. It’s not about the fancy play syndrome, I don’t think that with your own cards, without representing anything, without bluffing, you can’t reach the last stages of the tournament. I need to be a bit more creative and I’m working on that. I try to play more pots in position to outplay them on the flop but sometimes I get lost as NoLimitNinjaBri said. I’m not that "lame" as mentioned but I need some routes.

For example, would you rather bet the aggresive players than the nit ones? The nits always show up with the good cards when they open. The aggresive ones play the flop, so you have other chances than preflop.

When you are having a deep run, I think applying pressure on the nits is more effective, especially the ones who have won a flip versus another nit and got deep in the tournament.

I dunno,

Appreciate all your advices guys, ty.I don’t do much pure bluffing. That said semi bluffing draws, and stealing blinds more as the blinds rise is pretty standard. So, for me position and reads are the most important factors.

In late stages, in late position I think it is sometimes correct to open raise any two cards pre flop. Is that bluffing?

Marginal or less value situations that need fold equity in the calculation, like some draws, vulnerable pocket pairs, etc. Hands that are way ahead/way behind, I raise aggressively vs foldy opponents. (Stack size, relative position, reads, yada yada)

I don’t consider much of the above to be exactly bluff, although they often depend on villain folding X per cent of the time to be for value.

Sorry if I am not clear enough here. Did the best I could

Also, I just reread your OP title so three bluffing, ya hu I sometimes do it lite but only situationally. Putting pressure on small stacks when I am deep stacked, maybe, rarley when the pot is large and worth the risk (again hu) idk I don’t 3 bet bluff a lot at all. Kinda dangerous in most situations.


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